Qwen 3.8 27B
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它在 HN 上获得约 871 分和 571 条评论,说明这个话题至少触发了社区讨论;真正的判断仍要回到原文证据和评论区的分歧点。
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HN rank: 1
HN score: 871
comments: 571
original url: https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.8-27B-FP8
评论区已经提供了一些读者反应,但这里还没有形成完整综合。
评论信号:Credit where it's due. Qwen 3.8 27B is only the second local model after Gemma 4 that managed to correctly reason through one of my private benchmarks. It took 5x as many tokens to do it and 12m30s with MTP enabled, but it did do it.Gemma 4 reasoned through it more implicitly, while Qwen 3.8 reasoned more explicitly. Laguna and Muse Glimmer failed hard on it, though they're useful for other tasks.The VRAM usage seems way less efficient than Gemma 4 or Glimmer though, with 32K of context taking 2.5GB of VRAM. With those, even with MTP or a DFlash model loaded, you could still fit 256k-768k of context. With Qwen 3.8 27B I can't even fit 128k if I quantize V to Q4_0. Maybe with some trial and error I can find some settings that perform well enough with a larger context window that it's still useful for longer tasks.Lots more testing to do, though I was getting some decent results out of Muse Glimmer which was more than twice as fast and supported huge context windows, managing to solve some bugs that Gemma 4 struggled with.... reply:...
评论信号:Absolutely the best pelican I've seen from a model that runs on my laptop: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht...Bicycle is the right shape. Pelican beak is excellent. Nice background. Most importantly, the pelican has one leg on each side of the bicycle - that's very rare.(No chain on this bicycle though - in the reasoning trace it says "already chainstay... skip chain detail; maybe a small chainring.")I ran that on an M5 Max MacBook Pro using LM Studio and their 17GB GGUF: https://lmstudio.ai/models/qwen3.8It took 21 minutes(!) and used 22,276 reasoning tokens to produce 3,223 tokens of output.(For the "they're training on your benchmark now" crowd, all of that cheating didn't prevent it from spending 20 minutes thinking about the task first! You can see the reasoning trace in the link I shared.)For comparison, here's one I got from qwen3.8-2.4t-a95b on OpenRouter, which is pleasingly animated: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht... reply: For anyone who followed yesterday's Gemini 3.7 Flash pelican which rendered in Safari but not in Firefox or Chrome... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49289112#49290012....
评论信号:There's a real change (compared to 3.6) in the way it writes in thinking — it drops words like "to" and "we" in "We need to", talks generally in note form, drops the/and all over the place, avoids "for"."Need be helpful concise", "Need maybe not overdo", "Need ask!" Almost caveman.I have an (unsourced, vague) suspicion that this rather unique thinking trace pattern is actually hobbling the MTP predictions, which seem to perform poorly.Other notes: it uses the trick of repeating the prompt in the thinking trace.It also worries about hidden chain of thought appearing in the final answer. It talks about "desired oververbosity 9", which is new. A bit GPT-ish.It is being extraordinarily thorough in thinking through one of my code requests, but I don't know if the net result will be any better than the 35B MoE.I asked it to ask me clarifying questions — it did, and it offered me a list of defaults I could simply agree to.I don't think it is necessarily overthinking in the looping sense, but it is in the being exhaustive sense. I need to explore how it does with a tighter reasoning budget.I am impressed but I am definitely in Camp Please-35B-A3B-When?... reply:...
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